Christians use all sorts of warped logic to arrive at believing in God - but no matter what method they use,they cannot deny that other people belief other daft things too,sometimes using the same warped logic. If the other groups of peope believe something as fervently as they via faith,and the other ideas are mutually exclusive then they cannot both be right. If some people believed the earth was flat and others that it was round and neither proved their case - we know for a fact that only one of them can be right. The same is true of faith - some of the beliefs maintained by different people are mutually exclusive and so Christians have no right to maintain that THEIR belief has any priority over any others derived by the same means. This is why on many forums atheists will argue for their belief in the invisible flying spaghetti monster or invisible pink elephants,because they are just as unlikely as a God and cannot be proven in the same way. I have even seen people try to contest the methodology of proof by saying it is a faith,which of course it is not.

Open QuestionShow me another » Atheists, please prove that "proof" "exists", without circular reasoning.? I.e. don't say this is what "proof" "means" (this is circular reasoning, since in saying that it "means" this or that, you are implying that it exists as this or that.) 36 minutes ago - 4 days left to answer. Additional Details LMFAO... wag the tail brilliant intellectuals... LMFFAOOO. 31 minutes ago oops meant wag the dog... 27 minutes ago Proof exists only in your mind... it's your "GOD"... get it? 26 minutes ago Nate... this is circular reasoning... you are saying "object falls" means "Proof of gravity"... hence you are saying "proof" exists as "proof" of gravity.... You've proven nothing. 20 minutes ago Character by the name of "O"... yes, this is the "premise" of my question (Godel, Alan Turing, et al)... The limits of reasoning... 18 minutes ago Captain, absolutely. Maybe the question as you "see" it in your "dream land" brain doesn't exist. I can't prove that it does because it may be impossible for you to convey your chemical thoughts into words. 5 minutes ago Report Abuse Action Bar: 3 stars - mark this as Interesting! Who found this interesting? MidNight Ask A Mexican ¡Ha… Avo oopsed again Email Save Remove from Watch List Save to Yahoo! Bookmarks Add to My Yahoo! Add to Del.icio.us RSS Answers (30) Show: All Answers Oldest to Newest Newest to Oldest Rated Highest to Lowest by Thomas S. Monkeyson Member since: July 23, 2010 Total points: 580 (Level 2) Add to My Contacts Block User I'm stumped! *runs to the nearest church to get babtizzed* 35 minutes ago 10 Rating: Good Answer 1 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Joshua Member since: March 02, 2010 Total points: 2040 (Level 3) Add to My Contacts Block User How can you prove proof exists with proof...my brain! 35 minutes ago 4 Rating: Good Answer 1 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by A Thinking Atheist Member since: August 02, 2010 Total points: 302 (Level 2) Add to My Contacts Block User You as a religious person are the one who needs to provide proof. 34 minutes ago 8 Rating: Good Answer 2 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Great White Member since: June 10, 2010 Total points: 519 (Level 2) Add to My Contacts Block User This reminds me of a philosophy class I took. It was kinda boring. 34 minutes ago 5 Rating: Good Answer 1 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Imperfectionist (2) Member since: May 22, 2010 Total points: 2295 (Level 3) Add to My Contacts Block User http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sourc… You've been touched by Imperfectionist 34 minutes ago 4 Rating: Good Answer 1 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Gexi The great Member since: August 11, 2010 Total points: 716 (Level 2) Add to My Contacts Block User This question confused me so much. It made me assume, one of us is an idiot.. Source(s): Confused atheist 34 minutes ago 2 Rating: Good Answer 0 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by hipluvmo... Member since: July 29, 2006 Total points: 821 (Level 2) Add to My Contacts Block User Research Christopher Hitchens and find out. 33 minutes ago 0 Rating: Good Answer 1 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Ba Ba Ba Ba Barbara Ann Member since: December 04, 2009 Total points: 6129 (Level 5) Add to My Contacts Block User Didn't you ask this same question with a rant attached to it a couple of days ago? Why are you asking again? If I'm not mistaken, you received numerous answers. Edit: Yes, you did and you picked my answer as best answer so you could be obnoxious and insulting. You're not worth the time or the trouble. Who cares what you think? 33 minutes ago 1 Rating: Good Answer 1 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Alexande... Member since: March 09, 2010 Total points: 694 (Level 2) Add to My Contacts Block User Christians, please argue a point while making sense at the same time!!! Impossible. 33 minutes ago 2 Rating: Good Answer 0 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by ci50158 Member since: May 18, 2007 Total points: 15558 (Level 6) Add to My Contacts Block User What the hell did you just ask? 33 minutes ago 1 Rating: Good Answer 0 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by The Great Gazoo Member since: May 09, 2010 Total points: 2966 (Level 4) Add to My Contacts Block User Its a math concept. Take a geometry class and you'll get it. Science is about evidence. Evidence is something you can measure and examine that leads you to a conclusion. Surely you aren't denying that something like that isn't real? 33 minutes ago 6 Rating: Good Answer 1 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Skeptiki... Member since: June 06, 2010 Total points: 4471 (Level 4) Add to My Contacts Block User Philosophy 101 rears its ugly head. Couldn't have taken more courses than that, though, or you would understand a Reductio ad Absurdum fallacy whilst you were typing it. 33 minutes ago 6 Rating: Good Answer 1 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Avo oopsed again Member since: July 27, 2010 Total points: 572 (Level 2) Add to My Contacts Block User How can you ask atheists to use proof without using proof? Are you daft? It's YOUR job to provide proof, mate. 32 minutes ago 4 Rating: Good Answer 1 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Reggie Member since: July 30, 2010 Total points: 415 (Level 2) Add to My Contacts Block User Look at the flowers and trees around you. There's no way you can tell me that proof doesn't exists. Plus proof exists outside of space so you'll go to hell if you deny the existence of proof. There. 32 minutes ago 1 Rating: Good Answer 1 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Nate Member since: March 02, 2009 Total points: 18195 (Level 6) Add to My Contacts Block User When something, such as gravity, consistently occurs in a uniform fashion the repeat tests for it are considered to support the fact that it does in fact happen. You only need to drop an object to support gravity as an idea. These supporting things are called proof, and unless you're telling me dropping an object does not support gravity then proof exists. 32 minutes ago 0 Rating: Good Answer 0 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Captain Member since: July 28, 2010 Total points: 884 (Level 2) Add to My Contacts Block User I would, but your question doesn't actually exist, and you can't prove it does because there is no such thing as prof. 32 minutes ago 4 Rating: Good Answer 0 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Enough Nonsense Member since: April 28, 2010 Total points: 2613 (Level 4) Add to My Contacts Block User Okay. Let's go ahead and assume that proof does not exist. Please tell us why that gives us any reason for believing in your seemingly mythological entity of preference. 31 minutes ago 1 Rating: Good Answer 0 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Graybear... Member since: April 06, 2010 Total points: 12403 (Level 6) Add to My Contacts Block User No, that's not circular reasoning. Perhaps your invisible friends can explain it to you in terms that you'll understand. 31 minutes ago 0 Rating: Good Answer 0 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Red Doll Shoes Member since: July 20, 2010 Total points: 330 (Level 2) Add to My Contacts Block User I love how you people split logical hairs in desperate attempts to hold onto your faith. 30 minutes ago 2 Rating: Good Answer 1 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Lee Member since: February 01, 2010 Total points: 2481 (Level 3) See "The mutilated chess board" below - it will prove to you that proof has happened - as you will be led to the inevitable conclusion that the example shows you - if you do not accept the conclusion then you are dumber than an ox - and have proven yourself to have the intelligence level of an Xtian - either way - proof will be demonstrated. Source(s): http://members.fortunecity.com/templarse… See also: http://members.fortunecity.com/templarse… http://members.fortunecity.com/templarse… IF you can follow it! If you are into Godel/Turing and the limts of reason then you maybe interested by: http://members.fortunecity.com/templarse… http://members.fortunecity.com/templarse… http://members.fortunecity.com/templarse… The point is - I have studied Godel and Turing - most Xtians have no idea who they are or how they apply to what is true and what is not. 29 minutes ago - Edit - Delete 1 Rating: Good Answer 0 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Ask A Mexican ¡Hasta luego V! Member since: August 02, 2010 Total points: 1256 (Level 3) Add to My Contacts Block User Proof of what? proofs of math? Those exist in the sense that we can calculate them... Edit: Great response from moper, I suggest you do take a look at that link 29 minutes ago 1 Rating: Good Answer 1 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by curious moper Member since: March 14, 2006 Total points: 12930 (Level 6) Add to My Contacts Block User I call logical fallacy: genetic fallacy... http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevan… 29 minutes ago 2 Rating: Good Answer 1 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Somewhat Enlightened Member since: April 18, 2006 Total points: 86377 (Level 7) Add to My Contacts Block User proof is in the pudding I sincerely hope you never have to have lawyer. 28 minutes ago 1 Rating: Good Answer 0 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by heartles... Member since: April 05, 2007 Total points: 17460 (Level 6) Badge Image: Contributing In: Religion & Spirituality Add to My Contacts Block User Everybody knows that absolute proof is impossible. Kant proved that. I say that reality is exactly what it appears to be. Do you have a test to prove me wrong? If not, it's a difference that makes no difference. Beginner nihilists are so full of themselves and boring. 28 minutes ago 1 Rating: Good Answer 1 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Derchin Master! Member since: May 05, 2007 Total points: 11042 (Level 6) Add to My Contacts Block User What? 23 minutes ago 0 Rating: Good Answer 0 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Herodotu... Member since: March 27, 2007 Total points: 31399 (Level 7) Add to My Contacts Block User I accept evidence, rather than proof, and reason rather than the irrational. What virtue does evidence have beyond its appearance to be itself, and reason beyond that it appears to be constantly valid? I would say none. Until something better is offered, however, they appear the only games in town. Source(s): "I am a man, not a Number." #6 23 minutes ago 1 Rating: Good Answer 0 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Holly Golightly Member since: June 14, 2009 Total points: 7169 (Level 5) Add to My Contacts Block User Can't you see the sky and the trees? That's proof of proof. Also, the dictionary says so, and the dictionary says the dictionary is true. 23 minutes ago 0 Rating: Good Answer 0 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by O Member since: May 29, 2010 Total points: 5473 (Level 5) Badge Image: Contributing In: Cell Phones & Plans Add to My Contacts Block User Some things are not provable. Hence the need for axioms or postulates. In fact, read about Gödel's incompleteness theorems. He proved that a complete and consistent set of axioms for all of mathematics is impossible to find, therefore there will always be unprovable propositions. 21 minutes ago 2 Rating: Good Answer 0 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by Meklar Member since: June 10, 2010 Total points: 8372 (Level 5) Badge Image: Contributing In: Programming & Design Astronomy & Space Add to My Contacts Block User The statement 'proof exists' is unconditional, that is to say, it provides no assumptions to work from. Proving it is therefore impossible. 18 minutes ago 1 Rating: Good Answer 0 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse by DesireE Member since: March 10, 2010 Total points: 5270 (Level 5) Add to My Contacts Block User If you think the bible is enough of God's word, you're right; it's enough to send you to hell. 34 minutes ago