









It's true:maths can become your
friend

Everyone knows maths is dull and dry
and,often frightening.Yet once you've got to grips with the basics it
can actually be quite fun.
John Rees
Ask some children what their least favourite subject is at
school, and there's a fair chance that most of them will say maths. If you
persist and ask why you'll probably be told that it's
boring. But maths can be a lot of fun, as you and your child will discover
in the exercises below.
All too often, children only see it as dull because they find it difficult;
it's hard to enjoy something that you don't understand or excel at.
So grasping basic maths concepts and skills is essential, not only
for an appreciation of the subject, but because it underpins so many other
areas, especially the sciences. Maths also involves skills that are called
upon in many different ways in daily life  as technology pervades more of
our world from one year to the next, being confidently
numerate has never been so important.
Not surprising, then, that the teaching of maths has undergone
some significant changes over the past 20 or so years. There is less focus
on just coming up with the right answer; and an increasing emphasis
reasoning and proof 
being able to explain what you are doing and why
you are doing it.
That said, your child still needs to develop a good range of basic skills,says
Margeret Brown,professor of maths education at King's College London. "The
numeracy strategy with its daily hour focusing on maths skills, has had a
great impact on the way maths is taught at primary level," she says. "The
focus has largely been on the mental maths skills that primaryage children
need to develop in order to negotiate successfully the more applied maths
at secondary level."
Maths really is a buildingblock subject and it deserves its place
at the centre of the curriculum. So many other subjects rely on the maths
skills that your children should learn at various stages. Also, it is worth
remembering that, as the curriculum progresses, the maths always relates
back to the maths that was done previously. Therefore, it is essential that
your child's basic maths skills are as strong as possible they will not be
able to progress as far or as fast as you would like.
The Introduction of the National Curriculum, in the late Eighties, changed
the emphasis on maths in primary schools. "When the National Curriculum came
in, it did carry on the earlier emphasis on doing investigation and practical
problemsolving, but that rather got pushed out by the keystage assessments,
which tended to focus on written and mental arithmetic," explains Professor
Brown. "However, there is some suggestion now of bringing in more work involving
investigation and practical problemsolving at the end of the primary phase,
giving children the skills they will need at secondary level." The new GCSE,
for instance, features both a statistical and an algebraic investigation.
So, what does your child need to know? At Key Stage One, from the
ages of five to seven, children need to
concentrate on getting to grips with the meaning of numbers, developing
counting skills, and learning how to add and subtract. They are also introduced
to simple concepts in the use of numbers and in handling data, such as looking
at how many things they've got, then counting and recording them, which can
in turn lead to drawing up simple bar charts. They also do some basic geometry
work on shapes, playing with those shapes to see what happens for example
when they turn them round or over; and seeing how they fit together.
At KeyStage Two, from the ages of seven
to 11, the curriculum is divided into four core elements  using and
applying mathematics, numbers, handling data, and shape, space and measures.
Your child will cover the basics of fractions, decimals, proportion and ratio,
as well as starting to use multiplication and division. In handling data,
for instance, they learn how to use averaging measures such as means, medians
and ranges, work that is carried on right through to GCSE.
Although many parents feel that using a calculator is somehow cheating, children
do need to know how to use them properly and efficiently. For example, a
fairly simple maths problem like drawing up a pie chart may involve division
or multiplication sums that are too difficult or longwinded to do by hand.
On occasions like these, it is better to use a calculator to crunch the numbers,
leaving the child free to concentrate on the other aspects of the maths.
At Key Stage Three, from ages 11 to
14 the curriculum expands and diversifies to include the topics
that your child will tackle in more depth at GCSE. Among these are place
value and powers of 10, using coordinates, probability theory,negative numbers,
linear equations,algebra,graphs and piecharts,and geometry.
Across all the different areas there is an increasing emphasis on proof
and reasoning. At GCSE level,failure to show adequately how you got to
an answer results in lost marks.
Who's afraid of all those big bad
numbers?

Numbers and sums are much less intimidating and bewildering
when you see them at work in the real world.And you don't have to look very
far to find them.

1 Calculator games
Find a calculator with big buttons and a large display, and challenge your
children to replicate different numbers they find around the house. Help
them find examples on things like your car number plate, your house number;
LCD displays, serial numbers, even your age.
The aim is for them to reproduce on the calculator display exactly the number
they are looking at. This sounds very simple, but it is an excellent way
to get younger children used to handling larger numbers, and help them to
understand what we mean by place value.


You will need to explain how the positions on
the calculator reflect how many units, l0s, 1005 and 1,000s the number involves,
and your child will discover that, in order to get the right number on the
display they have to put the largest digit first.You will probably find that
younger children may need to start with simple, singledigit numbers, then
progress up to those of two or three digits.
2 Weighing and measuring activities
Children often hear things described as bigger or smaller than something
else, and it's easy to assume that they know what that means. It's a good
idea to think how you can use measurement words in context, enabling your
child to understand exactly what they refer to.
An easy starting point is to measure the height of each family member by
standing them against a wall. For
younger children, you could simply make a mark and talk about one person
being taller or shorter than another; while for older ones you can actually
take a reading with a tape measure.
Other simple examples include comparing things such as a local river or stream
and introducing the idea of width, or comparing different distances, say
between one local town and another. Cooking provides an excellent opportunity
to get kids thinking about weight and volume; again, with younger children
you should keep it simple by just asking for the heaviest potato or the smallest
saucepan, while older or more advanced kids can be entrusted with actually
weighing up or pouring the right amount of an ingredient.
3 Learning about shapes
Young kids love doing "I Spy"type games, and shapes are an easy thing for
them to recognise. Starting with the simple shapes like circles, squares,
triangles and rectangles, take your child around the house naming each shape
as you come across a good example of it. Then ask them to do the same.
As they progress, you can move on to less common shapes like hexagons or
rhombi, although you may find it more difficult to come across examples 
you may find it easier to keep a few old magazines and get your child to
cut out various shapes of different sizes while you talk about the fact that
the same type of shape can be very different in terms of size.
Another way of helping your child with these concepts is to make your own
shapes from coloured card and use them to build up pictures. For a fiveyear
old, this might involve making pictures of say, a house or a boat, while
a sevenyearold could stick shapes together and see what the result reminds
them of.
You can also test out what happens when you move shapes around; are they
the same when you turn them over or twist them about? It may sound obvious,
but these are the sorts of concepts that children need to grasp at this early
age.
4 Addition and subtraction games
Darts provides an excellent way to get children using addition and subtraction
skills, although conventional dart boards use rather too difficult numbers
for Key Stage One.
Instead, you could use stickers and put simpler numbers around the dart board,
or dip into your pocket and buy a safer and simpler version like Early Learning
Centre's Sling Shot (£6), which is less likely to lead to body piercing
and involves a more limited range of numbers. Simply play the game, taking
it in turns to throw three darts, and add the rest to see who gets the highest
score.
Moving on to subtraction, you can set a score such as 20, and take it in
turns to throw one dart at a time to see who can reduce their score down
to zero the fastest. As your child gets more proficient, increase the total
to say 50 or even 100 to make it slightly harder. You can also throw two
or three darts at each turn,then subtract their total from your score, thereby
showing your child how closely addition and subtraction are linked. 
Adventures for budding young number crunchers

One of the best ways to assist your children in understanding arithmetic
is to involve them in practical tasks that show how useful maths can be in
everyday life. So here are some tricks to have them making a cake out of
ratios and fractions, or angling for treasure in the garden

1 Which would you prefer?
At Key Stage Two, when children have mastered addition and subtraction, they
move on to the more complicated functions of multiplication and division.
But they don't just need to be able to get the right answer  they need a
thorough understanding of what they are actually doing when they multiply
or divide a number or set of things.
One interesting way of getting this across is to set them some intriguing
problems.Try asking what they would prefer: their height in one pound coins
or their weight in one pound coins?
To solve a conundrum like this they will first need to work out how high
they are and how much they weigh, along with the height and weight of a one
pound coin thus getting a chance to flex their measuring skills. Bear in
mind that coins are rather thin and light to measure accurately so your child
may find it easier to stack l0 on top of one another or put l0 on the scales,
then divide the answer by 10.


They will almost certainly need a calculator to
move on to the next stage  dividing their height by the height of the coin,
then doing the same for their weight and the weight of a pound coin. In so
doing, your child will begin to see that division and multiplication are
not just abstract concepts, but extremely useful tools that can be
applied to everyday problems. Meanwhile, you can have a bit of fun making
up similar problems for them to solve.
2 Baking a ratio cake
Ratios and fractions can be very difficult concepts for children to get their
heads around. Baking a cake together is an ideal way to help them, because
it puts the ideas into a reallife context. Choose a recipe that you both
like, but agree that you will make it larger than suggested in the recipe
book.
Obviously the easiest way to do this is by doubling everything up, but if
you're both feeling ambitious you can make it, say half as big again. This
will involve using multiplication, division and ratios to work out the amounts
you need of each ingredient. Hopefully your child will soon figure out that,
whether you're doubling up, trebling up or whatever you have to increase
the amount of ingredients by the same factor. Don't worry too much if you've
only got old imperial weights and measures, the real point here is how the
numbers in the recipe compare with those you are using.
3 Treasure hunt
At Key Stage Two, it is important for children to start to get to grips with
the idea of position and movement and, as they get older they will start
to use angles and distances in metres to describe where things are in relation
to each other. A nice way to introduce these concepts is to set up a treasure
hunt.
Choose a starting point in your garden, or indeed in any open space. From
there, plot out a path that will eventually lead to a small prize. An example
of this could be: "Take four steps forward, make a quarter turn to the left
and take 10 steps forward, make a quarter turn to the right and take a further
20 steps forward."
The route you choose can be as simple or as complex as you like, and can
incorporate natural features such as trees and ponds that they have to avoid.
Make sure you agree on a step size though, as yours will probably be much
large. For more able kids, you can do the measurements in degrees and metres
using a protractor and tape measure. When you're all tired of this you can
reverse the game, with you doing the hunting.
4 Times table square
Learning times tables is one of the worst chores in the subject, but there
is no avoiding it if you want your child to be confidently and fluidly numerate.
This "beat the clock" exercise injects a good measure of fun and a little
selfcompetition, which can turn learning the one to 10 times tables into
an enjoyable challenge.
Take a piece of A4 paper and draw a square 11cm by 11cm. Now divide this
into a grid of 11 by 11 squares. In the top left hand corner put a multiplication
sign. You now have a template that you can photo copy. On each of the copies,
put the numbers one to 10 randomly in the column
and row next to the multiplication sign, making sure the order of the numbers
is different each time. Your child's challenge is to fill in the square as
quickly as possible, solving the multiplication problems that each combination
of row and column squares gives  without using a calculator.
Although the first few times may take quite a while, your child will quickly
find that they can fill in all 100 answers in a shorter and shorter time.
Once you've got a measure of roughly how long it takes them, you can set
a time of, say, five minutes for them to beat, perhaps offering a small reward
if they succeed. Once they become really proficient you could challenge them
to a race  the winner getting the prize.
Don't forget to check the answers, or mistakes may become ingrained. For
younger kids, you can vary the exercise by replacing the multiplication sign
with an addition sign or if they are comfortable using negative numbers,
a minus sign. 
So mum,how much are cake and chips?

Everyday tasks based around the home can increase maths confidence
dramatically,as well as providing many hours of entertainment

1 Probability dice games
Start by rolling two dice with your child, and writing
down what happens if on each dice. They'll quickly see that only the numbers
from two to 12 are possible. Next, each player writes those numbers down
on a piece of paper; and you can start the game, with each player rolling
the dice in turn. They then add the numbers on the dice together and cross
out the number on their piece of paper. The winner is the one who crosses
all their numbers out first.
This not only a fun game to play with kids of any age, but also a chance
to start them thinking about probability as it should become apparent
that some numbers, such as two and 12, are much harder to achieve than numbers
such as seven or six  the game inevitably becomes a rush to get the rarer
numbers and cross them out. You can then start your child thinking about
why some numbers are harder to get than others, and explain that there are
different ways to make the numbers such as five, six and seven, whereas there
is only one combination that will make two or 12 and that these numbers will
be much less likely to come up. Words such as "possible, impossible, likely
and unlikely" are important ones when introducing probability, so ask your
child to describe what is happening in the game using these words, for example,
"one is impossible, two is possible but unlikely and seven is likely" You
can make the whole game a bit harder by repeating the same exercise, but
instead multiplying the two numbers rather than adding them.
2 Planning a meal
The main incentive here is to allow your child to choose a meal that they
really like. Next go over the relevant recipes involved, and find out exactly
what you're going to need. In terms of ingredients and portion sizes for
each person. At this point, you should set a budget that your child will
have to work within, either as a total for the finally or for each person
they can then find out how much the relevant items cost next time they visit
the shops. Once your child has got all the information they need, they can
set about preparing the meal, making adjustments to ingredients or portion
sizes to keep themselves within budget before they buy what they need. As
well as encouraging basic life skills, this exercise is full of math's, requiring
them to use addition, multiplication, estimation and money use, as well as
other skills such as converting imperial to metric if you use an old recipe.
3 How big is my home?
At Key Stage Three, children should already have a good understanding of'many
aspects of shapes and geometry. They should know how to find the areas of
triangles, rectangles, squares and other shapes such as parallelograms. At
this stage, they can also start thinking about
threedimensional shapes, such as cubes and
prisms.
One way to practise these is to see if they can work out the volume of everyday
objects. You could start with a litre carton of juice, measuring each side
and working out its area by multiplying the length by the breadth, then taking
this figure and multiplying it by the depth to get the volume  the answer
should be about 1,000 cubic centimetres. You can now move on to other objects
round the house and, if you're feeling really ambitious, the house itself.
If you live in a flat, you're laughing; those using a house shape will need
to workout the volume of the "square bits", then add on the volume of the
roof space. To find this you will need to work out the area of the gable
end using the formula 1/2 base x height" then multiply that by the
length of the roof. You will need to use metres rather than centimetres or
your result will. Involve very large numbers.
Try getting your child to guess the answer before you work it out you may
both be surprised by the answers. Bear in mind that you will need a long
builders' tape measure before you start, and even then you may need to estimate
some of the measurements or round them up to make the whole exercise a little
easier.
4 Place value challenge
Our number system is in base 10 and each figure has a place value, bolt units,
l0s, 1005, 1,000s, and go on. Your child needs to understand that the place
value changes by a factor of 10 as you move from one column to the next.
Challenge your child to find numbers around the house or in books, newspapers
or magazines, that represent each place value. For example, they will need
to on to two digits, then three and so on.
You can then challenge them to write down each of their numbers in words
 something many children find difficult. You can make the whole exercise
a lot harder by introducing the decimal point and asking them to find a number
with one digit to the right of the point, then two, then three. By getting
them to write out these numbers in words as well, you will be familiarising
them with the different way we say numbers involving a decimal point, eg,
"three point two five" as opposed to "three point twentyfive". 
Schools will test for genetic "number blindness"

THOUSANDS OF schoolchildren are to be tested for
dyscalculia, a "number blindness" condition which
is increasingly being cited as the reason many youngsters are failing at
maths.
Scientists believe that up to six per cent of the population, the equivalent
of nearly two children in every classroom, suffers from the littleknown
genetic disorder, which is related to dyslexia. Educationists fear that
dyscalculic children are falling behind in mathematics because teachers are
not aware that the condition exists.
In an attempt to identify possible sufferers, the tests are to be introduced
in schools across the country in September as part of research into dyscalculia
backed by the Department for Education and Skills (DfES). The tests have
been devised by Brian Butterworth, the professor of cognitive neuropsychology
at University College London, with the British Dyslexia Association.
Dyscalculia sufferers are often unable to understand mathematical concepts
as simple as 2+2=4. It is thought that they are born lacking the ability
to understand different numbers and the relationships between them.
The condition is far less widely recognised than dyslexia, Prof Butterworth
said. Although many people had both conditions, it was possible to have good
language and literacy skills but still be "number blind".
Dyscalculia was first discovered in 1919 by Salomon Henschen, a Swedish
neurologist He found that it was possible for a person to have impaired
mathematical abilities that did not affect intelligence in general. The DfES
tests involve a series of simple maths questions, including counting dots
on a computer screen, or comparing two sets of images and indicating which
is the larger.
Children will be graded according to the time they take to answer the questions,
with different response times expected for various groups. The tests this
year, which will involve children at all school ages, are being seen as the
first step towards a national screening programme.
"Dyscalculia is a big problem that is only just being recognised," said Prof
Butterworth. "My own guess is that it is rather like colour blindness; there
will be ways of working round it, but there won't be a cure as such.
"We found that some children with very severe dyscalculia can still achieve
Alevel mathematics. They can understand abstract mathematics but struggle
with the simpler number stuff."
He added that the Government's national numeracy strategy had been bad for
dyscalculic children. "It requires them to participate in wholeclass teaching
when they can never answer the question."
The tests will be available to local education authorities (LEAs) this September
from nferNelson , which supplies a range of educational assessments to schools
throughout Britain. Although the decision on testing will be left to LEAs,
the DfES is monitoring the scheme.
A DfES spokesman said: "We provide special educationalneeds training for
our teachers, and that includes guidelines on dyscalculia, The national numeracy
strategy is designed to raise standards in maths for all children and' since
September last year, we have been sending out specific information on
dyscalculia."
Pauline Clayton, the principal tutor in maths at the Dyslexia Institute,
feared however that the tests would simply add to the burden of assessment
on schoolchildren "Good teachers get a gut feeling about their children,
they know those who are underachieving, she said "Greater awareness of
dyscalculia is needed but I don't think we should go down the route of testing."
A child for whom the clock is a mystery

Joseph Barnard,whose parents are
convinced that dyscalculia is reponsible for his struggle with basic maths
and telling the time 
SHARON BARNARD became convinced that her nineyear old son
Joseph was dyscalculic after years of watching him struggle with his maths
homework.
Describing his problems, she said that he had difficulty remembering the
answers to simple addition problems involving singledigit numbers. Mrs Barnard,
of Worthing,Sussex, said: "He still hasn't grasped adding on. He cannot subtract
in his head.
"Joseph may grasp a concept one day, but then he fails to understand it when
he comes across it again later. Maths has its own language which is sometimes
difficult for him to understand. He sometimes confuses 'take away' with
'multiply'."
Mrs Barnard said that Joseph's maths problems also brought confusion when
attempting to tell the time. She said: "Joseph can work out the hour from
a clock face but has difficulty with minutes and assessing whether those
minutes are past or to the hour. He has difficulty judging spans of time.
For example, if he is told at 10am that an event will start at 3pm, he has
no idea how long he will have to wait.
'We have to break it down into mental
pictures, for example saying: "It will happen alter lunch and after you
have played for a bit".
Joseph, who attends Broadwater Church of England School in Worthing, became
increasingly frustrated when doing homework and worried about school. Mrs
Barnard said: "Just recently he told me that he spent most of a numeracy
session with 'my head on the desk' because 'I couldn't understand my maths'."
Despite his problems, Mrs Barnard has been unable to convince the education
authorities that Joseph needed special teaching.
"We noticed early on in his education that while he learnt to read very quickly,
maths didn't come quite so easily. But, at that stage, we were not unduly
worried," she said.
She became worried when Joseph began attend middle school yet still struggled
with simple sums. Last year, the school applied for specialneeds funding
for Joseph but the request was turned down by West Sussex Education Authority
on the grounds that his difficulties were "not severe". Joseph recently took
Prof Butterworth's test in London and his parents are awaiting the results.
Mrs Barnard said: "His school appears to be doing all it can but we believe
Joseph's needs are severe enough to warrant specialist help, ideally away
from the Numeracy Hour, with its emphasis on wholeclass interaction.
"The education authority believes that the school can meet Joseph's needs,
but we do not think that the school's" resources can meet them."
Macer Hall [Sunday Telegraph April 14 2002] 
How I learnt to love...MATHS
by Johnny Ball

The television presenter and self styled "maths
enthuser",responsible for the show "Think of a Number",explains how he developed
his passion for the subject.
I WENT to primary school in Bristol and was more or less top
or second in the class. We had a great maths teacher The fact that when we
were seven or eight we used to beg him for homework, even though we weren't
allowed it until we were 10, shows that he was obviously getting something
right. From that moment on, I was always confident in maths.
It was at primary school that I really appreciated the joy of doing maths.
Although people say that they hate the subject and that they're hopeless
at it, they will happily have a go at different types of puzzles. We Like
the challenge of thinking and working something out, and choosing a style
and difficulty of puzzle to suit us. We have a natural desire to puzzle things
out, and maths is simply puzzling things out. Therefore, in theory, it's
something we should want to do.
Sadly, children can easily be put off maths. The shock of being slapped in
the face with inadequacy as a young child can leave you with a phobia about
maths for the rest of your life. I was fortunate that that never happened
to me.
When I was 11, I went to grammar school in Bolton. Although I was good at
maths, I gradually failed everything else over five years and was bottom
of the class. In maths I was never less than second in the class, although
I never made any notes I left school at 16 with two 0levels, one of which
was maths. But that wasn't enough to get into the sixth form, so I had to
start work. I believed that I had little I prospect of getting a job,but
a friend of mine advised me to aim high, so I applied for jobs that I wasn't
qualified for. I was offered a job in accounting, provided that I worked
for more qualifications.
I took maths up as a hobby and then read a book by Martin Gardner,
who wrote about the joy of maths. Just one of his books got me hooked
and inspired me to write the television series Think of a Number
The programme was designed to show the audience that you could think of a
number and that it could then take you anywhere. 
We'd start with something quite simple and finish up with the
most complex technology. We need to make people, and especially children,
aware that maths permeates everything. 

Everything that is designed, from a ball point pen to a
jumbo jet, is maths in pictures, and seen like that, there's nothing daunting
about it. If you are good at art and can draw a person in proportion, then
you have a mathematical brain, even though you may be hopeless at addition
and subtraction. 
Maths fits into every section of life  in music,
for example, every piece is based on maths. We need to ensure that children
realise that maths is so much more than just numbers. That is why
I like the Greek mathematicians, especially Archimedes, who actually did
things with maths. My advice to parents would be to try to help your children
and not to let their questions go unanswered. Most children like some aspect
of maths. The educationalist Maria Montessori said "You can only teach a
child when their mind is open to learning". It is parents who can open their
child's mind. If a child mentions that they're interested in something then
feed that interest by using toys puzzles and books.
It is important however, not to force your child to do something. Leave an
item lying around but don't be upset if they don't take to it immediately.
They will probably pick it up later. And remember that examination and
test results don't indicate intelligence in a child. There are so many
successful people who struggled at school. Inner confidence is the key.
INTERVIEW BY ZOE FLOOD 
60 Second Interview
by James Ellis
There's nothing Johnny Ball can't explain. The brains behind
children's TV shows such as Play School and Johnny Ball Reveals All, his
ability to make science seem simple made him a hero to thousands of today's
thirtysomethings. Father of Zoe, fatherinlaw to Norman Cook and granddad
to Woody, he now solves problems on Five's Terry And Gaby Show.

Johnny Ball 

Do we really learn something new every day?
Yes. I'm surrounded by young people but I have experience. You really don't
know what experience is until you've got it. At school I only got two
O Levels  I was a failure; I was in 5E
only because there was no 5F. But I had read every Arthur Conan Doyle book
I always wanted to learn. When I started work, I found I had the energy to
carry on learning.

How much of learning is academic qualifications?
It's the last thing about learning. The school curriculum
is nonsense  it's been thinned and thinned so that with reasonable
teaching, all kids attain to a certain level. Which is fine, but
teaching beyond the curriculum is nonexistent.
It's the extension of education that inspires careers. Education starts when
you've done the curriculum and start asking questions.

Explain some conundrums.
Why can a fly get into a room through a crack in a window then not find
an open door to get out? It comes in by accident and can't see the glass
to get out. It can't learn whether glass is there or not, and gets panicky.
When we panic, we can't do anything  it's the same for the fly: Bees are
better at it as they sense the air currents through an open window.

If Tiger Woods is the greatest golfer, why does he need a
coach?
You don't need to be very good at something to be able to teach people.
I'm a better teacher of golf than a golfer. I taught my wife how to play.
She'd been through five or six teachers and thought I was the best. My career
as a comic helped. As a comic, your ideas have to be clear and you have to
paint very vivid pictures quickly. Then you turn them on their head and that's
comedy.

Why can't you fold a piece of paper in half more than six
times?
If it's a big sheet, you can do seven folds. It just becomes too thick
and unwieldy. If you fold top to bottom, top to bottom it's easier than left
to right and then top to bottom, as the corrugations aren't quite as thick.

How smart will Woody be with you as granddad?
He's very intelligent  but all kids are. Very early on, Zoe could memorise
the songs on both sides of a dozen EPs, long before she could read. It could
only have been the grouping of the words that she recognised as Going To
The Zoo or Old Macdonald. Watch for it and all kids do wonderful things.
When we see Woody, my wife and I throw our arms up and go 'Hello'. And when
we leave we say: 'Going now, byeeee.' The other day he said: 'No, no goodbye.'
Then he threw his arms up and went: 'Hello.' That's his brain working.

You compered for the Stones. Did you glean any rock 'n' roll
tips to give Zoe and Norman?
I was also a drummer. I was voted No.3 in Liverpool in the early 1960s and
Ringo Starr was voted no2 so I know a bit about it but I never talk to Zoe
about that. And we won't work together on TV either  we're different generations
and have a different attitude to career.When we have done things together,
we compromise for each other it's After you, Claud.' 'No, after you Cecil.'

Do you worry that you're now more known for being Zoe's
dad?
Yes and no. It's wonderful being her dad and she did phenomenally well early
on. You see the mistakes your kids make and know you've made them. I don't
think she should have left Radio 1 so quickly or the BBC Saturday morning
show so early. If she'd continued, I think it would have been better for
her, but you can't tell your kids that. My only sadness about my career is
that I wish I could have gravitated to adult TV.

Do we look back on TV in the 1970s with too much nostalgia?
No  they gave kids TV time in the 1970s. The programmes we did then
were 25 minutes a week, ran for six weeks and then we got a rest. Everything
 down to every line  was handcrafted. Today that doesn't happen, it's like
instant coffee. I fail to see how quality can be maintained. The fact we
don't even make programmes for kids above 13 is sad, if not dangerous.
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